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Title: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Bill Schlarb on September 04, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
Hi folks,

Several of us are planning to run the Taylorville section and possibly the Eagle section if there's interest.
The Taylorville section is rated Class 3-4 and is a low volume run (400 cfs or 11 cms)
This is the flow we had on the Upper Black in ON this year on MACKFest weekend.
Elbow pads would be good to bring along if have them.
The release is scheduled from 10:00am to 2:00pm so we will need to leave from Ottawa fairly early
in order to get more than one run in on that section.

Plans are to meet at the Ultramar station on Prince of Wales Dr.  Fallowfield/Woodroffe Park & Ride at 7:45am and head down to the border at 8:00am from there.
GPS coordinates 45.240607,-75.71226  45.297351,-75.734611

From Christian's post a few days ago:
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Beaver Taylorville section, Class III-IV 1.3 km long, do 2-3 times during the release. A very good introduction to creek-type rivers, suitable for intermediate paddlers in creek boats:
https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/2612/

With time at the border and the usual gas stop in Ogdensburg, we should be at the Taylorville put-in by 10:30
GPS  coordinates for the put-in are: 43.928437,-75.311927

The Eagle Section is releasing water from 1:00pm to 5:00pm
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Beaver Eagle section, Class V approx.  300 m long, do 2-3 times during release. Expert run, river drops more than 30 m over 300 m--it's really steep:
https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/2614/
Note: it is an expert section, but the last drop, a friendly 4 m waterfall, can be run by intermediate paddlers multiple times, so it's worth going there just for that!

Bill
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Larry W on September 04, 2013, 09:08:44 PM
hi

Just 3 things

1) I can go
2) I did a google map to the Taylorville section
https://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msid=205353621598577759867.0004e584d13de38d7d891&msa=0&ll=43.927479,-75.316815&spn=0.009195,0.022724 (https://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msid=205353621598577759867.0004e584d13de38d7d891&msa=0&ll=43.927479,-75.316815&spn=0.009195,0.022724)

3) We could use a new carpool meeting place for NY rivers. The Ultramar guys are not too friendly.
Can I suggest the Park and Ride at Fallowfield and Woodroffe?

oh bring your passports --- oops that 4 things but who's counting

Larry
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: lafreniere.luc on September 04, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
As mentioned to you Bill, Jon and I will be attending. It's also looking like Alex Maggs wants to join us (assuming she gets her passport via mail in time which sounds like it will).

As for meeting place, I'm easy... either one is very close to my place since I'm in Barrhaven.

I'd definitely be up to do the Eagle thing as well.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Gwenne on September 04, 2013, 10:29:30 PM
I will meet you guys at the put in for 10:30.   

Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 05, 2013, 01:31:10 AM
I'm flexible w/r to meeting place. Hopefully my car will be fixed by then...

--C.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: jonyak on September 05, 2013, 07:37:58 AM
As mentioned to you Bill, Jon and I will be attending. It's also looking like Alex Maggs wants to join us (assuming she gets her passport via mail in time which sounds like it will).

As for meeting place, I'm easy... either one is very close to my place since I'm in Barrhaven.

I'd definitely be up to do the Eagle thing as well.

Is alex coming with me an you? if so I Will put the stackers on the roof.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Bill Schlarb on September 05, 2013, 01:41:59 PM
Hi folks,

I've changed the meeting place to the "Fallowfield/Woodroffe Park & Ride" as Larry suggested.
And elbow pads are optional but passports aren't...

Bill
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 05, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
And elbow pads are optional but passports aren't...

Ha! Elbow pads especially if running the left channel of Dogleg--it's only 2' wide! And judging from some people's runs sometimes, some sort of knuckle protection... And a few spare paddles, just in case. I've seen (and heard!) paddles break in 3 different rapids of this short section. That includes one of mine... Full face helmet nice but not necessary, as it is not that bad.

--C.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: coolfarmer816 on September 05, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
ok I will join you there
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: marcg on September 05, 2013, 09:32:28 PM
I'm in,  Daniel I will call you to see if you want to carpool.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Larry W on September 05, 2013, 09:43:28 PM
hi

the Eagle section. They make it look easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoO5Vvnj23w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoO5Vvnj23w)

the taylorville section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgvHrPZkso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgvHrPZkso)

both videos were taken about 6 years ago.


Larry
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Adam on September 06, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
You guys convinced me.

I will see you there as I will be driving with a group of friends that will be leaving a bit earlier.

Adam
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: SMurF on September 06, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
Hope to join in. See you at the park and ride.

Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: SMurF on September 08, 2013, 09:02:11 PM
Thanks to Larry a perfect throw that kept me from getting recirculated.

Definitely a great day!
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 09, 2013, 02:13:26 AM
Thanks to Larry a perfect throw that kept me from getting recirculated.

Definitely a great day!
Sean, you need to flesh out the details... --C.
Title: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: lafreniere.luc on September 09, 2013, 06:41:52 AM
Quick video edit I made of the Eagle section. Running that section was indeed the most epic run I've ever done. I think a few others can agree with that. http://youtu.be/6ogzqV-fC_4
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: AdamN on September 09, 2013, 08:32:36 AM
cool video!!
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: marcg on September 09, 2013, 08:35:49 AM
Very nice, well done!!
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: Larry W on September 09, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
hi

Not really much to the story, other than Sean's second attempt at the boof location was more successful than his first.
I just happened to be in position with a throw rope just in case.

Larry


Thanks to Larry a perfect throw that kept me from getting recirculated.

Definitely a great day!
Sean, you need to flesh out the details... --C.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 10, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Good video, definitely gives an accurate idea.

Now,

"My first ever run on the Eagle section of the Beaver river, New York along with Alex Maggs."

Only two names? If it's 'first time', add Jon Ward: at least five paddlers were in the group IIRP, including two who went down first to wait in each pool in case something bad happened. After seeing Chris swim there with a broken paddle, having someone there seemed likea good idea...

--C.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: lafreniere.luc on September 10, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
Well, if anyone else was actually recorded on my camera, then I may have put their names. But since I don't have any recordings of anyone else, I'm not going to start naming everyone that ran that day but doesn't even show up in my video. If somebody wanted to be filmed, they need to let me know and make arrangements. I really don't mind, but it has to be planned out, otherwise, it's whatever I end up recording which included Alex since she was always last to run things and I was second last. By that logic, I'd have to go to every video I've ever done and start enumerating everyone's names that paddled at CdB Newcomer's Day for example because I probably said "Cindy Doyle's first time on Garburator" and yet there were many others surfing it for the first time that day. They just didn't get recorded. Besides, there is a considerable amount of work in doing video edits, probably why a lot of people don't bother recording. The filming is the easy part, the editing afterwards can be a major pain. I find it worthwhile personally, but I do spend many hours on these videos. Usually I accompany such videos with a blog post where I describe the day... but I have been told before NOT to put names in my videos or my blog posts. So I'm going to go with what I think is reasonable since I'm the one making the video edits. I've also been requested NOT to record certain people which as you can imagine, is quite difficult when you happen to pan around them as part of a group shot or something of the sort. Since Alex was featured in the video AND I happen to know she wanted this video, I gladly obliged and placed her name along with it. Notice that it was also not within the actual footage and instead along the description of the YouTube video. The worse thing ever is when I've incorporated a text lower third in the video of who we're watching and then find out once the video has undergone transcoding for hours and then many hours uploading to YouTube and "processing" that they would like to have their names removed. This requires that I delete the video on YouTube, edit the source video, re-transcode the thing and re-upload again. In the process, any links that were shared no longer work and people complain that the video is gone. Rant over.

With that in mind.... this in NO WAY reflects on a lack of appreciation for those people doing safety. I saw many, many people on the shore line with throw bags ready to go, people watching to indicate when the way was clear and fellow paddlers such as yourself Christian ready at the bottom to save our sorry butts if/when one of us swam. With that, I definitely thank everyone that allowed me and the rest to run this section. It was incredible! But no, I won't be naming everyone unless each person explicitly requests that I name them in the description. With that in mind, anyone want me to add their name in the description? I"m happy to oblige.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: jonyak on September 10, 2013, 05:04:35 PM
Lol.

I could have been in it, but when I get nervous I just want to go for it.

Thanks to Jaques and Christian for going first and making sure we all made it down. ;D
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: coolfarmer816 on September 10, 2013, 06:27:03 PM
Moi ca vas tu peut me filmer mais juste si je souris et que je suis pas sur le point de me noyer :o
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 10, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
Hey! That wasn't intended to spark a fire. In fact I would rather not have my full name in the description of a YouTube video, I'm not a celebrity yet...

Maybe I am just a bit sensitive after a couple incidents when showing people a new river, and enduring a general lack of grattitude for the time and energy spent offering guidance, safety, and collecting bodies and floating gear...

The video is the official 'internet presence' of that day, so to speak, and care must be taken to avoid giving the wrong impression. No names necessary, just a passing acknowledgement that others have helped make the event happen would be fine.

That's just my opinion of course. But I wouldn't be surprised if in the past a few experienced paddlers have stopped bringing new people to the rivers they enjoy precisely to avoid this kind of hassle. And that's too bad, really. Cheers!

--Christian

Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: lafreniere.luc on September 10, 2013, 08:43:55 PM
Fire... marshmallows... smores....

But in all seriousness, I just wanted to be clear that I was getting very conflicting requests on my end, or at least, it was appearing that way. I can't put names and not put names all at the same time plus record people and not record people too. Otherwise, it was looking like I would have to make these videos only about me or none at all. Both of those options are very sad in my opinion and would rather showcase our accomplishments (and failures...).

I really do hope you know Christian, as well as everyone that has ever helped me down rivers (and there are many of you) that I am VERY appreciative for the help. I usually thank people directly, I believe I have done that with you specifically on many occasions but I have to admit, I don't remember saying thanks after this event. So MERCI! Without people bringing us down, we wouldn't have ran that section very easily. It was the main reason why we waited to come down with CdB since we knew that you guys would be willing to take us under your wing (Jon and I both discussed this and opted to wait a week for this very reason). It is a really nice touch and a personal complement to many of you. You know who you are.

As for the YouTube video, thanking people generically is a really easy thing to do and I will endeavour to do this in the future. It has been changed on the description of this video.
Title: Re: Beaver River NY: Saturday Sept 7
Post by: ChristianG on September 10, 2013, 09:23:09 PM
As I wrote, maybe I was a bit too sensitive, due to some incidents over the years which I assure you, Luc and others in this discussion, did NOT involve you...

Just to make it clear: keep making movies! I am planning to show this one to friends and even my mom, as it gives a very good idea of the crazy steep run that it is!

--C.