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Offline Jeremy Poulin

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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 09:12:48 PM »
And you didn't offer (or threaten lol) to take your top off lol
Sorry, couldn't resist
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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »
I would agree completely with Rob. It was a really aggressive paddling weekend. Before an easier rapid a group of guys surrounded me on the top of the rapid, I asked them if we were doing boater crossing... They were so rude. I also witnessed some swearing and yelling at the top of the waterfall. Totally unnecessary behaviour.

I would agree that the signalling would be a good idea, but I really don't know how that would work with all those people. May be at least people could signal if someone is stuck...that would be good etiquette...

Some serious, but super fun paddling for sure though. One of my best paddling weekends for sure.

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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2012, 08:43:05 PM »
This incident, and the video documenting it, reminds me of an article in Rapid magazine by Jeff Jackson (from Ottawa) about the the 'ladder' that goes from easy to extreme paddling, which ends with:

"Perhaps there is a new ladder all together. I'm going to break the news to you: helmet cams do not prepare you to climb it, they only capture your poor judgement in high definition."
--Rapid, Spring 2012 p. 16

Couldn't put it in a better way...

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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 06:19:23 PM »
I was on the Ottawa this weekend , ran down garburator , Had my paddle way up to signal  above the rapid, but everyone in line just had to have their surf , seeing me... but just going on garb.  I gave up after a few minitues and just went down. :(
 This would not have happened 10 years ago.

 As for the video clip , I think the paddlers onshore were to busy watching the carnage and didn?t even think to signal. hopefully lesson learned.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 07:27:59 PM by Mark.D. »

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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 04:18:59 PM »
I agree with Christian completly!
People need to bring their ropes (most of the time, there are a few exceptions, which I'll leave open for discussion, cause it will amuse me, lol).
Signaling at the 2 drops on Moshier is fairly unrealistic. It would be nice if it was doable, but it is a zoo, so not very doable.
I totally disagree with JNs comment about the guy who wrecked his boat "deserving it". That sucks, period. Thankfully he hit the guys boat, not the boater (we can all imagine how bad that would have been!) but that is pretty much the normal pace of people going over, because the vast majority of people dropped and came clear of the landing zone (even if they got worked, or flipped).
But again, I agree with Christian, a great weekend, especially the Eagle section!
Thats just my thoughts on the Fest
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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 04:03:06 PM »
It's something to bump a surfer off a Garburetor or l'Agneau de Dieu, but it's something else to plug almost vertically on top of another paddler... The positive part is that the guy being worked was released from the pourover, but had the 2nd kayaker hit the paddler instead of the 1st kayak, things cold have been a lot worse.

As for signalling: in a zoo like Moshier during Beaverfest, I would tend to agree with the 2nd paddler. Asking for permission to go every time would be a bit unrealistic, and he gave the 1st paddler enough time assuming he had the skills to do the run successfully. However, I would have assumed that the 5-6 paddlers standing on the rock scouting and admiring the carnage would have at least some kind of mind to turn upstream and signal 2nd paddler to stop! Those morons just stood there, and I think the 2nd paddler's comments about signaling were directed at them.

About throwbags: on the 2nd drop of same river later that day, someone ran the falls too far right, got worked in the hole and swam. There were 5-6 people standing just below the drop. As far as I could see, only one had a throwbag, and he did not even manage to fish the end of the rope from the bag in time to use it to rescue the swimmer, who went down the rest of the rapid (a class III at least). It's in the minimum requirements, for instance:

"--A throw bag, with at least 50' (15 m) of floating rope, at least 1/4" (6.4 mm) thick (so-called 'regulation' throw bag--longer and thicker lines are preferable). Paddlers should be proficient at accurately throwing and quickly reloading their bag, and when they get out of their boats near whitewater, they are to TAKE THEIR THROWBAG WITH THEM: a throwbag left in a boat is useless."
(http://www.cdb-ottawa.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=4403.0)

There is enough room, now that boats are bigger than they were a few years ago, to have water bottle and other knick-knacks AND a throw bag in front of you, not behind the seat. That way (1) the habit of taking it with you when exiting the boat for scouting is easy to acquire, and (2) it is also easy to give the throwbag to someone else without coming out of the boat if needed. It's beyond me why many paddlers insist on taking their paddle with them when scouting, but either don't have a throwbag or leave it behind in their boat. And since wet ropes may deteriorate because of mold etc., at the end of every paddling day is an opportunity to practice throwing the rope, to allow it to dry!

That said, the weekend was a lot of fun... --C.

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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 12:00:38 PM »
The rope thing was a good lesson for me.  On the Raquette, we took the time to set safety on the 3 major rapids we ran - granted they were Class IV+ and V...

Plus I will take the time to get my followers to repeat the instructions.
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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 11:58:05 AM »
 :o WTF!? That was retarded.

His comment on his youtube video is also retarded. Blaming people on shore for not signaling to him that he shouldnt go because the paddler was getting worked?? Really? There was 7 seconds between him and the previous paddler leaving the eddy. As far as the vide showed... He never even signaled nor did he seem to give a shit. He assumed the previous guy made it.  Sorry for his boat but he had it comin. Things couldve been worst.
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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2012, 11:46:20 AM »
Thats Brutal!!
Also something I saw at Beaverfest that freaked me out was the serious lack of throwbags on shore. For those of you that were there, how many did you see, really think about it....I can say I could count the number on both hands, and not much more. This is a very scary habit!
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Re: Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2012, 11:44:38 AM »
The guy he lands on is Guillaume from my group. His Riot had nothing.
I helpd the poor guy to bring the nose back down on his kayak. Kayak was brand new and now has a hole and a few creases. Thanskfully, only pride, kayak and wallet were injured.

Good enough reason to learn to land flat on a boof, hey?

But I am happy to report that I prevented a similar second accident for the short time I stood at the lip of that same waterfall...

Mental note to include that while teaching.

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Paddlers not signalling on the Beaver this weekend
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2012, 11:05:29 AM »
Take a busy release weekend, add in punks with no etiquette, you get line cutting, paddlers swearing at each other, no signals from those standing on shore to the upstream paddler when someone is stuck in the drop.  Watch what happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9im95RZNoU&feature=plcp


The Beaver release is my favourite weekend of paddling in the year. Don't know how many times I've been to the release weekend.  Never seen it quite like that before.  Hope it was an anomaly.  Watch out for each other.