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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2016, 08:11:28 PM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top?

Does the jacket have latex gaskets?

If not, it will let water in. A dry top or even a semi dry top will have gaskets or tight fitting neck/wrist seals.

If you plan on being in the water (ie swimming) a lot I would not even recommend a semi dry top, but a full dry top.

I think I modified my post as you were posting your reply. Is the difference between a semi dry and a full dry simply that the full dry has the gaskets while the semi only has tight cuffs?

Yes, semi dry sometimes has a tight neoprene, sometimes just a fold with some velcro, whereas a full dry has latex gaskets at the neck and wrists.

In any case, either a full dry-top or semi-dry top, if you swim, they will get wet from the water getting in through the waist.  They are designed to keep you "dry" if you stay in your boat with your skirt tight to your cockpit, and body.

Once you leave your boat, it won't prevent water from wicking up your shirt from the waist past your skirt, and getting you wet.  Since your in a kayak, and wearing a skirt, the neck and sleeve seals/gaskets will prevent the sleeves and chest from flooding and making swimming difficult.

If you plan on swimming a lot, either briefly or for extended swims, seriously consider a farmer john with a paddle jacket top if it is a cold day, or perhaps just a neoprene vest and shorts.

If you are in an open boat (tandem or otherwise) then the lack of a skirt makes any paddle jacket somewhat more likely to fill with water, unless the jacket has a double tunnel you can cinch down to keep the water from flooding in at your waist.

Thanks for the breakdown. Since it'll be a warm day, I think I've decided on buying a neoprene vest and shorts and just going with that.


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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2016, 07:51:42 PM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top?

Does the jacket have latex gaskets?

If not, it will let water in. A dry top or even a semi dry top will have gaskets or tight fitting neck/wrist seals.

If you plan on being in the water (ie swimming) a lot I would not even recommend a semi dry top, but a full dry top.

I think I modified my post as you were posting your reply. Is the difference between a semi dry and a full dry simply that the full dry has the gaskets while the semi only has tight cuffs?

Yes, semi dry sometimes has a tight neoprene, sometimes just a fold with some velcro, whereas a full dry has latex gaskets at the neck and wrists.

In any case, either a full dry-top or semi-dry top, if you swim, they will get wet from the water getting in through the waist.  They are designed to keep you "dry" if you stay in your boat with your skirt tight to your cockpit, and body.

Once you leave your boat, it won't prevent water from wicking up your shirt from the waist past your skirt, and getting you wet.  Since your in a kayak, and wearing a skirt, the neck and sleeve seals/gaskets will prevent the sleeves and chest from flooding and making swimming difficult.

If you plan on swimming a lot, either briefly or for extended swims, seriously consider a farmer john with a paddle jacket top if it is a cold day, or perhaps just a neoprene vest and shorts.

If you are in an open boat (tandem or otherwise) then the lack of a skirt makes any paddle jacket somewhat more likely to fill with water, unless the jacket has a double tunnel you can cinch down to keep the water from flooding in at your waist.


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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2016, 02:14:56 PM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top?

Does the jacket have latex gaskets?

If not, it will let water in. A dry top or even a semi dry top will have gaskets or tight fitting neck/wrist seals.

If you plan on being in the water (ie swimming) a lot I would not even recommend a semi dry top, but a full dry top.

I think I modified my post as you were posting your reply. Is the difference between a semi dry and a full dry simply that the full dry has the gaskets while the semi only has tight cuffs?

Yes, semi dry sometimes has a tight neoprene, sometimes just a fold with some velcro, whereas a full dry has latex gaskets at the neck and wrists.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2016, 12:33:27 PM »
Thanks. I'll definitely be getting some float bags for the boat!



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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2016, 12:21:11 PM »
I think that you should consider a farmer-john type wetsuit:
http://www.mec.ca/product/5021-536/mec-fusion-john-m-mens/?q=farmer%2Bjohn
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http://trailheadpaddleshack.ca/store/nrs-farmer-john-2mm-wetsuit/dp/59138   cdb members get a 15% discount on most regular priced items

The neoprene is designed to get wet and it can protect one from bumps and bruises while swimming.

I usually carry a skull cap in my dry bag in case I find myself or a paddling partner getting cold:
http://www.mec.ca/product/5042-102/mec-seymour-paddling-cap-unisex/?h=10+50004+50020+50089&f=10+50004+50089+50114

So you plan to be swimming a bit! You have good float bags for your boat I hope :)

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2016, 10:52:26 AM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top?

Does the jacket have latex gaskets?

If not, it will let water in. A dry top or even a semi dry top will have gaskets or tight fitting neck/wrist seals.

If you plan on being in the water (ie swimming) a lot I would not even recommend a semi dry top, but a full dry top.

I think I modified my post as you were posting your reply. Is the difference between a semi dry and a full dry simply that the full dry has the gaskets while the semi only has tight cuffs?

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2016, 10:43:34 AM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top?

Does the jacket have latex gaskets?

If not, it will let water in. A dry top or even a semi dry top will have gaskets or tight fitting neck/wrist seals.

If you plan on being in the water (ie swimming) a lot I would not even recommend a semi dry top, but a full dry top.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2016, 10:39:44 AM »
Why is it that the jacket would fill up but not a dry top? The dry top I do have had gaskets around the neck and wrists, but doesn't seem to have anything to stop water getting in from the waist area. I've worn that a few times and didn't have any issues, aside from it being super hot.
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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2016, 08:40:39 AM »
Yanik is bang on with the jacket.  Jess took a swim in a Goretex jacket and the sleeves filled up with so much water that she couldn’t swim and just went round and round in an eddy until I pulled her out.  If you were to swim into a hole with a jacket on you may have a very bad day.

I recommend a cheap paddling top to carry around in the boat with you in case a nice warm sunny day turns into a cold, cloudy, windy day.  Paddling tops are cheaper than a Goretex jacket too:

http://www.mec.ca/product/5024-681/level-six-kootenay-paddling-top-unisex/?q=paddling%2Btop

By goretex jacket, do you mean something you'd wear out in the rain with a hood and all?  If yes, I am not sure that's such a good idea.  If you swim (and it looks like you plan on doing so), the jacket could balloon and fill with water and make swimming more difficult.     

I've got one with a stowable hood and pit-zips. I'm planning on bringing that. I'm not too worried about it ballooning up in the water, and I've got a bit of room to stow it away in the longboat I bought if it its too hot with it on.

I guess you guys are right about the water & air temperature though. 15C water sounded a bit cold to me, but I'll only be in it for brief periods.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 08:08:21 PM »
I was out all last weekend in just a merino wool top... I run hot though so your mileage may vary. I always err on the side of being warm. this time of year I just stow a dry top in the back of my boat in case I get a chill.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 04:17:41 PM »
By goretex jacket, do you mean something you'd wear out in the rain with a hood and all?  If yes, I am not sure that's such a good idea.  If you swim (and it looks like you plan on doing so), the jacket could balloon and fill with water and make swimming more difficult.     

I've got one with a stowable hood and pit-zips. I'm planning on bringing that. I'm not too worried about it ballooning up in the water, and I've got a bit of room to stow it away in the longboat I bought if it its too hot with it on.

I guess you guys are right about the water & air temperature though. 15C water sounded a bit cold to me, but I'll only be in it for brief periods. 

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2016, 02:56:41 PM »
Saturday should be 25 Celcius, and with the water at 15, this brings you to 40, so you're above the hypothermia mark.

Rule of thumb: air temp + water temp is greater than body temp (37), then you're ok.

Sorry but that is completely untrue.  You can become hypothermic in any environment where the temperature is less than 32ºC.  Continued immersion in 15ºC water WILL eventually cause hypothermia.

I agree with you Jeff, it's not always true, that's why it's rule of thumb, it gives you an idea. People should always use common sens.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 01:35:35 PM »
By goretex jacket, do you mean something you'd wear out in the rain with a hood and all?  If yes, I am not sure that's such a good idea.  If you swim (and it looks like you plan on doing so), the jacket could balloon and fill with water and make swimming more difficult.     


Yeah, I was thinking of just wearing a goretex jacket. I'll definitely be going for a couple swims though and was wondering whether that'd be enough.

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 12:59:43 PM »
Saturday should be 25 Celcius, and with the water at 15, this brings you to 40, so you're above the hypothermia mark.

Rule of thumb: air temp + water temp is greater than body temp (37), then you're ok.

Sorry but that is completely untrue.  You can become hypothermic in any environment where the temperature is less than 32ºC.  Continued immersion in 15ºC water WILL eventually cause hypothermia.

That being said, it’s not the water temperature you need to worry about, it’s the air temperature.  You spend very little, if any, time in the water but all day in the air.  The water could be 0ºC coming out of a glacier but if it’s a nice sunny 30ºC day outside, you’ll be fine as soon as you get out of the water.

The issue you’ll find paddling the Ottawa at this time of year is not being too cold, but being too hot.  Spend a day at the beach in a Gortex coat when it’s 25ºC out and you’ll know what it’s like to paddle the Ottawa this time of year in a drytop/drysuit.

You could even go in your birthday suit but then you may get severe sun burns or other burns.  Happy paddling!

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Re: Hey Guys! New member. Clothing recommendations?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2016, 11:18:53 AM »
Ahh, I didn't know that rule of thumb. Thanks!