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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2008, 03:07:21 PM »
Chantal and I drove out there yesterday and went for a hike to see if the boat was still there. Unfortunately our investigation is inconclusive. The river has come up so much that it is barely recognizable. The boat is either completely submerged and too deep to see or it has washed out downstream...

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 04:07:30 PM »
Sure the whole thing is sketchy. Anyway, here's the location. I also included the water flow data: it has almost tripled since we were there, but has now leveled. Thats' insane...

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 12:47:52 PM »
There is a small flaw to this.
We never know exactly what will dislodge the kayak by itself.
You go there Thursday, say the kayak is still there, you will need to tie it down or extract it right away (unless the conditions are too difficult) as it may not be there by the time the salvage expedition comes a day or 2 later, with the water dropping down again.

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 04:54:11 PM »
Certainly there is a chance to get it out, but only if it is still there. We will find out Thursday if that's the case. Then, if it is still pinned, we can mount an expedition; by then the level will have gone down hopefully...

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 02:29:08 PM »
So it seems to me that a long collapsible shaft like what is used to extend paint rollers, with a carabiner taped to one end might work.
Carabiner has also the end of a rope attached.
Someone standing near by, armed with that collapsible shaft extended, belayed by another one or 2 nut, themselves well tied to a tree.
And someone on the winch and rope.

Once in a kayak loop, winch pulling the most appropriate way to "slip" the kayak out of the locked position.

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »
ok thanks , I remember in costa rica someones kayak got pinned in only a few inches of water !!!, it took 4 of us with rope to get it out , it was tottaly bent in  but after sitting it in the hot sun the massive dent came out.  A photo would be nice if possible in the future.

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 01:35:47 PM »
Well well...

Guys (Louis, Mark)... You didn't see the 'location'... Le Rapide des Tout-Nus is a fast-moving water class II/III shallow rapid, level dependent. In other words, at 75 on the gauge when we were there it was class II but now it is certainly above class III. But it's still not deep since the river is very wide.

There, the river is perhaps 100 feet wide and the boat is pinned only 10 feet from river-left shore, under the water pillow that forms in front of a big rock. The boat is just under the surface, there's maybe six inches of water flowing over it. Even after crawling up onto that rock, Cl?o wasn't able to (safely) reach the grab handles. He could touch the cockpit rim, but that was it. In the current of last weekend, it was more or less safe to get to the rock and back (using two tow ropes tied together with two guys holding the ropes!), but don't even think about it now, as the water flow has more than doubled since (it is above 180 right now).

It's not that the boat has sunk in deep water, it is pressed by the current against a big rock... I wish we had a photo of it. Cl?o had a camera, but was too annoyed and busy trying to get to the kayak, I suppose, to take a picture... By now, as Cl?o mentionned, if the kayak is still there, it would have deformed and wrapped itself around the rock. Of course if we hook anything through a grab handle, we stand a good chance of retrieving it, although ideally because of the way it was pinned, we would have to be pulling from the other side of the river for best results...

So Cl?o, go take a look and take some pictures of the river. You can walk all the way up above the last waterfall. Since it was already quite big last time, it must be quite impressive now.

As for the strange presence of the "Bridge Construction" warning signs above the five waterfalls (no sign to warn of the coming waterfalls themselves!), Bill Schlarb seems to remember that the extension of Highway 50 will pass there, with a brigde spanning the canyon in a narrow spot. And we were wondering why the satellite images of that area had such high resolution... Maybe that's one reason. I was wondering too, as can also be seen in Google Earth, why just below the last waterfall one can see a strip of land, perpendicular to the river, that has been cleared of trees (Google Earth coordinates: river left  45?39'0.16"N, 74?41'15.29"W and river right  45?39'2.63"N,  74?41'8.65"W). That would explain too why the road to the put-in, which I remember was crappy, is now wide and freshly paved (up to a point). The good news is that the proposed bridge would have to span the whole river in one shot, so would not modify the river itself. I'm sure the three rafting companies on that section voiced their opinion here...

More Google Earth fun: because of the way the water flows when a river turns, I believe Cl?o's kayak is located approximately at (45?38'57.25"N, 74?41'7.74"W). The seal launch is at (45?39'9.41"N, 74?41'13.31"W), the washing machine at (45?39'57.55"N, 74?41'2.57"W), the put-in at (45?41'49.64"N, 74?39'52.06"W) and the take out is approximately at (45?38'40.93"N, 74?41'23.69"W).

Cheers!

--C.




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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 10:59:17 AM »
Cleo, air bags??

It would be a shame to leave it there.
Hey one time in San Diego, we lost about 3000$ worth of an R/C airplane in one of the lagoons.
We went and bought scuba mask and fins, dove to it until we recovered most of the parts (after triangulation) and then returned the equipment to the store the same day.

OK, as I recall you have a full body dry suit.
I should have an old cheap diving mask from the kids.
I've got a hand winch and can dig my rock climbing equipment.
Carabiners, slings, anchors points; the works.

I am no expert in river rescue, but that hand winch will either rip the boat or take it out.
If it is still there.
We just need to be able to slip a carabiner to a secure point on the kayak.
If we can see, but not get to it, then, maybe a solid perch with a biner taped to the end as a hook.
Then reel the whole thing back in.

I would think we need at least 3 people. 4 even better.

Weather for Thursday looks better. 6C, little clouds.
How far the drive and the walk to the spot?

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 10:01:25 AM »
is the boat in any strong current ? , could I (scuba ) dive under there with NO danger ?,  could  use a hand wench also ?

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 11:36:11 PM »
The odds are certainly against retrieving it with more rain or maybe even snow in the forecast for the next 2 days. Chantal has the day off on that day and the boat being there is kinda of an excuse to get out of the house and go for a hike. It's a nice area. I'm curious to see if the huge rise in volume has dislodged it or bent the plastic completely. I'm also curious to see how the river changes at this level. I've been told that the run changes completely when the water gets high. If you want to come along for the ride you are more then welcome.

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 06:08:51 PM »
Cl?o, I could go with you Thursday but I am busy until 11:30 in the morning. Which means that we can only walk up to the pin spot, bringing boats maybe so we can float back down... However, is it a good idea? The level is now at 170 m^3/s (and still rising), compared to about 75 when we were there. Just getting near your boat will be quite dangerous in that current... Plus, will we be able to find it if there's more than double the water? As I said, I don't mind taking a look, but the odds are against us.

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 04:26:11 PM »
Hi

Before logging on to the site I opened up Microsoft Word and typed up a lengthy trip report about our weekend adventure. Now that I'm done writing I log on and see Christian has already beat me to it there goes 45min i'll never see again... ::)

If you ever run the rouge and are considering doing this seal launch here is my description of what it felt like:

Feeling a bit nervous I sat in my boat and did a quick mental review of the things I should do: lean forward so the boat doesn?t over rotate on top of me, paddle to the side so it doesn?t smack me in the face upon contact with the water ok I?m ready! I tell Rob I?m good to go and he gives me a push over the cliff. I was definitely not prepared for the feeling of vertigo that hit me as I was free falling. It felt like my heart had flown up in my throat. For this reason everything I was thinking about while setting up was forgotten and I did not lean forward at all as a matter of fact I was told I actually leaned back. This caused my boat to rotate over me and I basically hit the water face first. The impact felt a bit like getting punched in the head with boxing gloves, it doesn?t hurt but leaves your head ringing for a minute.

In spite of my bad luck the run was quite enjoyable the bigger rapids were all easily scoutable with fairly easy lines at this level. I was lucky that my incident was so close to the take out it was an easy hike to the road. This will facilitate things when I go back on Thursday so see if the boat is there and attempt another rescue. After sleeping on it I have a few ideas that might work without compromising safety. I really want my thermos back and it would be nice to get my boat too!  :P Does anyone want to come and lend me a hand on Thursday?

The really unfortunate part is I've been looking around for a creek boat recently but my creeker budget will disappear if i need to buy another playboat...

Does anyone have a boat for sale? 

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 01:30:17 PM »
I am pretty sure this beats my boat drifting from Champlain to the Prime Minister's backyard.
At least, my name and phone number was in the kayak and very quickly my wife got a call from the Monties about the found kayak but missing husband, while frogmen were still diving for me.

I hope Cleo had contact info in there.
Maybe they will trace him back based on that soup...

Well, that was fun, like Captain Kirk said when he died...
Sorry I missed the fun... ;)

LD

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 11:35:55 AM »
Okay, someone is going to win a special prize for sure for that one at the AGM.... Best swim, no, best seal launch, no, how about boat longest under water but paddler survives? Seriously, I' glad you guys are okay and that you were with Robertz's crew. He is top notch safety guy in case things go haywire on you.

Paul ;D

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Re: TR: Rouge river, Seven Sisters section, 25/10/08--Warning: A long read!
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 09:19:41 AM »
wow! Did everyone run all the waterfalls ??

I hope the boat gets found/returned.

  the 7 sisters are huge , large and in charge , here is a u tube clip ,
       
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